Re: [videoblogging] MPEG4 not Supported

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One last one.

Why does the mp4 not access the plugin for display in the br=
owser window?

On 8/6/04 6:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@…> wrote:

=
> Ok,
>
> Now I=B9m starting to get it.
>
> One last question. Um….uh..=
… What is a =B3playlist=B2?
>
> Thanks again Lucas.
>
> shannon
>
>
>=

> On 8/6/04 5:51 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@…> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>=
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote:
>>
>>> > So….
>>> >
>>> > Als=
o….why does the mpeg4 file not act like the .mov file? The .mov file
>>> =
> begins streaming in the browser window but the mpeg4 file has to download=

>>> > completely before it opens and begins to play.
>>> >
>>> > Questions=
questions questions
>>
>> A good question.
>>
>> The quicktime plugin on=
your machine isn't grabbing the URL, but the
>> quicktime application *is*=
. The quicktime plugin can see the mov as the
>> bytes come down, but the =
quicktime application doesn't even know the mp4
>> is there until all the b=
ytes are downloaded. …this is because of the
>> way that browsers intera=
ct with helper applications.
>>
>> The quick fix is to make a playlist and=
put in it nothing but the url of
>> the mp4 file.
>>
>> – Lucas
>>
>>
>=
>
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Shannon
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/6/0=
4 5:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@…> wrote:
>>> >
>>>> >> Ok…
>>>> >>
=
>>>> >> I=B9m starting to understand a little bit now. I=B9d previously tri=
ed
>>>> creating
>>>> >> the file and now realized I=B9d made a minor mista=
ke and that is remedied
so
>>>> >> now the mpeg4 file is a direct download =
to my machine. Hmm. I=B9m not sure
>>>> >> about the chunks blowing though =
8*) . I still have lots of questions.
I
>>>> >> don=B9t know what they a=
re yet though. 8*(
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Shannon
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
=
>>>> >> On 8/6/04 4:04 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@…> wrote:
>>>> >>
=
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> The quick fix —
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Create a f=
ile named .htaccess in the directory where you keep your
>>>>>> videos.
>>>=
>>> >>>> Put this one line in it:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> AddType video/mpe=
g4-generic mp4
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> The real fix=
is to compile a standard .htaccess that doesn't blow
>>>>>> chunks,
>>>>>>=
>>>> but I won't have time today.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On F=
ri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> That would=
be outstanding!
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>=
>>>>>> >>>>>> .s
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/6/04 =
3:46 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@…> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sigh. Well, if it was all easy, there wouldn=
't be so much
>>>>>>>>>> new turf to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have fun with. :)=

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can compile a listing of correct=
ed mime types if it's
>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>> >>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>> You'll need permission to drop it into your hosting
>>>>>>>>>> di=
rectory.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shanno=
n Noble wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> MP4 mime type documented here:
>=
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The right mime type would=
be either video/mpeg or
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> video/mpeg4-generic.
>>>>>>>>>>>=
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The fix is in the config for y=
our web server.=A0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create a file called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>=
>>>>>>> .htaccess in your video directory and put this in
it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=
> >>>>>>>>>>>> AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>=
>>>>>>>> So I tried this out and got invalid error messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =
from the server
>>> > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >=
>>>>>>>>>>> started poking around the support forum for my web
host where I=

>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> found this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dated June 6,2004=

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>=
>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that HostRocket doesn't have ".mp4" or
any mpeg 4
>>=
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> extension
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> defined in their serv=
er mime-types.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Havi=
ng asked about this, the response I received
was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>=
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "While mpeg4 is in use, it is not yet ubiqui=
tous on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=
> >>>>>>>>>>>> future, we may consider enabling it on our servers.
However,=
the
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg4 is not in t=
he system defined types is because
it is
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> considered by
>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> others who write the software we use to not be
co=
mmon."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone =
else find this totally amusing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous at the
>>> > s=
ame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>=
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here they are with other mime-types such as ".latex"
imp=
lemented,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> but they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> won't use =
a current standard because it's not
wide-spread?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>=
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, the average web-surfer will NEVER see so=
mething
".latex"
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> unless they
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> go
>=
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to their local pharmacy and look next to things =
also
labelled
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "polyurathane"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>=
>>>>> and self-test kits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is this the kind of thing that might mak=
e one want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to switch to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> differ=
ent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hosting operation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>=
>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>=
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>=
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">One last one.<BR>
<BR>
Why does the mp4 not=
access the plugin for display in the browser window?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<B=
R>
<BR>
On 8/6/04 6:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@…> wro=
te:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">Ok,<BR>
<BR>
Now I&#=
8217;m starting to get it.<BR>
<BR>
One last question. Um….uh….. What i=
s a “playlist”?<BR>
<BR>
Thanks again Lucas.<BR>
<BR>
shannon<B=
R>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On 8/6/04 5:51 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@pan=
ix.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"New York"><TT><=
BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> So….<BR>
=
><BR>
> Also….why does the mpeg4 file not act like the .mov file? T=
he .mov file<BR>
> begins streaming in the browser window but the mpeg4 =
file has to download<BR>
> completely before it opens and begins to play=
.<BR>
><BR>
> Questions questions questions<BR>
<BR>
A good question.=
<BR>
<BR>
The quicktime plugin on your machine isn't grabbing the URL, but =
the <BR>
quicktime application *is*.  The quicktime plugin can see the=
mov as the <BR>
bytes come down, but the quicktime application doesn't eve=
n know the mp4 <BR>
is there until all the bytes are downloaded.  …t=
his is because of the <BR>
way that browsers interact with helper applicati=
ons.<BR>
<BR>
The quick fix is to make a playlist and put in it nothing but=
the url of <BR>
the mp4 file.<BR>
<BR>
– Lucas<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>=

> Thanks,<BR>
><BR>
> Shannon<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>=
On 8/6/04 5:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@…> wrote:<BR>=

><BR>
>> Ok…<BR>
>><BR>
>> I’m starting to un=
derstand a little bit now. I’d previously tried creating<BR>
>>=
the file and now realized I’d made a minor mistake and that is remed=
ied so<BR>
>> now the mpeg4 file is a direct download to my machine. =
Hmm. I’m not sure<BR>
>> about the chunks blowing though 8*) &n=
bsp;.   I still have lots of questions. I<BR>
>> don’=
t know what they are yet though. 8*(<BR>
>><BR>
>> Shannon<BR>
=
>><BR>
>><BR>
>><BR>
>><BR>
>> On 8/6/04 4:04=
PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@…> wrote:<BR>
>><B=
R>
>>>><BR>
>>>> The quick fix –<BR>
>>>&=
gt;<BR>
>>>> Create a file named .htaccess in the directory whe=
re you keep your videos.<BR>
>>>> Put this one line in it:<BR>
=
>>>><BR>
>>>> AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4<BR>
&=
gt;>>><BR>
>>>><BR>
>>>><BR>
>>>&=
gt; The real fix is to compile a standard .htaccess that doesn't blow chunk=
s,<BR>
>>>> but I won't have time today.<BR>
>>>><B=
R>
>>>><BR>
>>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble =
wrote:<BR>
>>>><BR>
>>>>>> That would be outs=
tanding!<BR>
>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>> Thanks.<=
BR>
>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>> .s<BR>
>>&g=
t;>>><BR>
>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>> On=
8/6/04 3:46 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@…> wrote:<BR=
>
>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>><BR>
>&gt=
;>>>>>> Sigh.  Well, if it was all easy, there would=
n't be so much new turf to<BR>
>>>>>>>> have fun wi=
th.  :)<BR>
>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>&=
gt;>> I can compile a listing of corrected mime types if it's useful =
to<BR>
>>>>> people.<BR>
>>>>>>>> Yo=
u'll need permission to drop it into your hosting directory.<BR>
>>&g=
t;>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2=
004, Shannon Noble wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>&=
gt; MP4 mime type documented here:<BR>
>>>>>>>>>=
>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt<BR>
>>>>=
>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>>>&g=
t;>> The right mime type would be either video/mpeg or<BR>
>>&g=
t;>>>> video/mpeg4-generic.<BR>
>>>>>>>&gt=
;>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The =
fix is in the config for your web server.=A0 Create a file called<BR>
>&=
gt;>>>>>>>>>> .htaccess in your video directo=
ry and put this in it:<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>>=
AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4<BR>
>>>>>>>>>&g=
t;>><BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>&gt=
;>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>&=
gt;>>>> So I tried this out and got invalid error messages from=
the server<BR>
> and<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>&g=
t; then<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> started poking=
around the support forum for my web host where I<BR>
>>>>>&=
gt;> found this<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> dat=
ed June 6,2004<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
&gt=
;>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>&=
gt;>>>>> I've noticed that HostRocket doesn't have ".mp=
4" or any mpeg 4<BR>
>>>>>>> extension<BR>
>&g=
t;>>>>>>>>>> defined in their server mime-typ=
es.<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>&g=
t;>>>>>>>> Having asked about this, the response I =
received was:<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>=
>>>>>>>>>>> "While mpeg4 is in use, i=
t is not yet ubiquitous on the internet.<BR>
>>>>>>> I=
n the<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> future, we may c=
onsider enabling it on our servers. However, the<BR>
>>>>>&g=
t;> reason<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg4 is=
not in the system defined types is because it is<BR>
>>>>>&=
gt;> considered by<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =
others who write the software we use to not be common."<BR>
>>&g=
t;>>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>>=
>>>> Does anyone else find this totally amusing and ridiculous =
at the<BR>
> same<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> t=
ime?<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>&=
gt;>>>>>>>> Here they are with other mime-types suc=
h as ".latex" implemented,<BR>
>>>>>>> but t=
hey<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> won't use a curren=
t standard because it's not wide-spread?<BR>
>>>>>>>&g=
t;>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet=
, the average web-surfer will NEVER see something ".latex"<BR>
&g=
t;>>>>>> unless they<BR>
>>>>>>>>=
>> go<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to their l=
ocal pharmacy and look next to things also labelled<BR>
>>>>&gt=
;>>>>> "polyurathane"<BR>
>>>>>>=
>>>>>> and self-test kits.<BR>
>>>>>>&g=
t;>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>>=
<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this the kind of t=
hing that might make one want to switch to a<BR>
>>>>>>&g=
t;>>>>> different<BR>
>>>>>>>>>&g=
t;>> hosting operation?<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>&=
gt;><BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Post on &n=
bsp;x.nnon.tv<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>=
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>&g=
t;>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>>=
<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon<BR>
>>&=
gt;>>>>>>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>&gt=
;>>>><BR>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
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t;>>>>>><BR>
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