Re: [videoblogging] Re: VIDEO COMMENTS

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:46:51 -0400, Steve Garfield
<steve@…> wrote:

> Great job on that!

Thanks. :o)

> You know how after you develop something and show it to the users, they
> see it and say, "Hey, that's great, but now that I see it, I want this
> and that?"

Yeah, I knew something like this would come.

> I really like the ability to watch the individual clips from this page:

Yes! But if you want people to be able to view each comment fragmented
like that I wouldn't use this system in the first place. A system like
this only makes sense if there is a reason that all clips are played
continuously – if you're making a collective work (opposed to a handful of
individual works linked together).

If you're not making one collective work then I would use a
hypertext/media system like I proposed in my first blog post on video
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I would feel pretty stupid programming my own way of collecting/sending
comments when the technology has already been created. :o)
Pingbacks is the way to go in this regard. With pingbacks it's possible to
link one ressource to another (like marking one video as related to
another video). Then it is trivial to connect to a server and ask for a
list of related ressources.

It works just like trackbacks on your weblog, only pingbacks works with
all kinds of ressources, not just html pages. I can write a quick test if
you'd like.

> A page of comment video links like that with the addition of people's
> names and websites beside them would be cool for a number of reasons:
> 1. You don't have to watch the first video again

You can skip to the different parts of quicktime movie if you'd like. :o)

> 2. When you come back to look for new comments, you can just view those
> that are new to you.

Good point. But still, if the video is not one collective work to begin
with I wouldn't even display anything together. I would scrap the system I
made and rely on trackbacks/pingbacks. I did mention that I'm not a fan of
the system I made in the first place, right? :o)

I see a use for it as a way of making artistic works and maybe the deaf
community can use it for something, but other than that I'm much in favour
on relying on a hypertext/media structure (where people create their own
way through the 'comments').

> 3. Saves bandwidth of having to download the original video and all the
> comments every time.

You bet, another reason a trackback/pingback solution would rock. I'll say
it again: If you're not making one collective work I wouldn't use this
system at all. :o)

What I will do is to make a new version. The current one is after all just
a proof that something like that can be made. The next version should have
some new features:

– Ability to link to a video instead of being forced to upload (this
would save the original poster a lot of storage).
– Some way for people to know if there has been added a comment (most
likely just a small image saying '3 comments recorded' or similar).
– *Maybe* a script everyone can use hosted on (will
only host the SMIL files, *not* any videos. And only if Peter is okay with
it. He's hosting the domain after all. I haven't asked him yet).

The last point requires a bit more work so I'm keeping it as a maybe. What
I'd rather make is something that collects and maps
'(video/text/photo)conversations' via trackbacks/pingbacks. We'll see how
it turns out. Once I have the new version done I will share the source so
that anyone who feels like it can expand system.

– Andreas

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